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Highlights From The Comments On Justice Creep
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文章探讨了人们对'正义扩散'的看法,包括将帮助穷人重新定义为追求经济正义,以及将气候正义和经济正义视为与刑事司法同样重要的议题。

📌 经济正义的重新定义:评论者认为,将'帮助穷人'或'拯救穷人'视为追求经济正义是积极的转变,这反映了我们对资源分配系统的批判和对乌托邦可能性的希望。

📌 正义的多维度:文章指出,正义不仅仅与犯罪相关,它还包括社会正义、气候正义等。评论者强调,这些正义形式与刑事司法同样重要,不应仅视为隐喻。

📌 正义扩散的意义:评论中提到,将各种问题视为正义问题,有助于我们更加清晰地认识到不平等和系统性的问题,从而推动社会变革。

https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/highlights-from-the-comments-on-justice

A lot of comments on Justice Creep fell into three categories:

First, people who thought some variety of: yes, all this stuff is definitely a justice issue, and it’s good that language is starting to reflect that more. For example, Adnamanil:

So... as someone who actually does use "___" Justice, quite frequently, I'd like to say that I think it's a good thing to reframe "helping the poor" or "saving the poor" as "pursuing economic justice." I don't think it's a good thing for people to think of themselves as saviors, to me that's a really unhealthy and unhelpful mindset which results in people who aren't themselves poor thinking they can be the experts and the decision-makers, and that there is something wrong with poor people, that they need to be "saved" or "fixed." We live in a world where there is enough food to feed everyone, yet people go hungry; enough shelter to keep everyone warm, yet people go cold. To me, that says there is something wrong with our system of resource distribution, not with the people who ended up, for one reason or another, being left out of it.

Does that result in a sense of responsibility to fix the system? Yes! Does it imply that we don't live in Utopia? Yes! Because we don't. And I don't think we should pretend to. But it also implies that we *could* live in utopia. It demonstrates a real hope about the possibility of utopia. It says, "if we could figure out how to live together better, we could all have enough to eat and be warm."

And Philosophy Bear, as Economic Justice And Climate Justice Are Not Metaphors:

Regardless of whether it is useful -and I hope it is- I think that honesty compels a clear-eyed person to talk about many of these things in terms of justice, even in the narrowest conception of justice.

The mistake in Scott’s article is assuming that these forms of justice are merely metaphors or analogies on criminal justice. Many of these are about justice in exactly the same sense that crimes are about justice- no metaphor required. Of course, they are also about being just in other senses- justice was never just about crime. For example, one can detect demands for social justice in the bible that go far beyond "wouldn't it be nice to help people", but nonetheless aren’t framed in terms of the criminal law.

Nevertheless, yes, climate justice and economic justice- for example- are also about being just in the same way laws against murder are- no stretching of meaning is required…

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