乔丹·霍尔与吉姆讨论了他的论文《从城市到公民》中的观点以及他最近皈依基督教的经历。他们探讨了规模法则、城市的超线性规模增长、梅特卡夫定律、密度技术、空间的虚拟化、通信的短暂化、关系虚拟化的临界点、城市作为杀手、20世纪制度形式的极限、身心解耦、回归中尺度、技术卫生、相互开放、GameB的难点、乔丹与公民的经历、价值等级及其必然性、恢复功能性文化工具箱、浇灌植物与从头创造的对比、公民如何引导至基督教、宗教中的善恶区分、乔丹一生的不可知论、虚拟性、成为完整的自我、赋魂、群体精神、群体精神是否具有能动性、礼拜仪式的起源与实践、将已嵌入个体引入具体社区的挑战、访问北卡罗来纳州的黑山、在正确环境中意义的易得性、被邀请去教堂、乔丹对个人上帝信仰的转变、良知的危机、东正教的“美为先”感、与善的关系、理解三位一体、关系作为三位一体上帝的本质、维度的开放、信仰作为一种官能、被上帝按照他的形象创造的理念、采纳传统的性别价值观、堕胎即谋杀的观点、存在的诠释学、圣经无误论、为什么神的国不是神权政治、灵魂主权、趋向普遍善与连贯多元主义的对比、后悲剧、有机地增长社区、职业的问题等。

📈 规模法则与城市增长：乔丹探讨了城市如何遵循超线性规模法则和梅特卡夫定律，以及这些法则如何影响城市的发展和技术的应用。

🌐 空间的虚拟化与关系临界点：讨论了空间虚拟化的趋势，以及这种虚拟化如何影响人际关系，达到一个临界点，改变了我们的社交方式。

🤖 技术与身心解耦：乔丹提出技术如何导致身心的分离，以及这种解耦如何影响我们的生活方式和自我理解。

🌱 公民与基督教的关联：乔丹分享了他的思想如何从公民转向基督教，以及这一转变对他个人信仰体系的影响。

📚 宗教与文化的工具箱：探讨了如何恢复功能性文化工具箱，以及这些工具如何帮助我们区分宗教中的善恶，理解复杂的概念如三位一体。

Jim talks with Jordan Hall about the ideas in his essay "From City to Civium" and about his recent conversion to Christianity. They discuss scaling laws, superlinear scaling in cities & Metcalf's law, technologies of density, virtualization of space, ephemeralizing of communication, a tipping point in the virtualization of relationality, cities as killers, reaching the limits of the institutional forms that got us out of the 20th century, decoupling of body & mind, returning to the mesoscale, tech hygiene, reciprocal opening, what makes GameB hard, Jordan's experience with civiums, hierarchies of values & their inevitability, regaining functional cultural toolkits, pouring water on plants vs creating from scratch, how civium led to Christianity, distinguishing good & bad in religion, Jordan's lifelong agnosticism, the virtual, becoming an integrated self, ensoulment, egregores, whether egregores have agency, the origin of liturgy & liturgical practices, the challenge of bringing already-embedded individuals into embodied community, visiting & moving to Black Mountain, North Carolina, the ease of meaningfulness in the right context, being invited to church, Jordan's transition to believing in a personal God, a crisis of conscience, the Orthodox sensibility of "beauty-first," a relationship with goodness, understanding the Trinity, relationality as the essence of the triune God, a dimensional opening, faith as a faculty, the idea of being created by God in His image, adopting traditional gender values, the idea of abortion as murder, the hermeneutics of presence, Biblical inerrancy, why the kingdom of God is not theocracy, soul sovereignty, orienting toward a universal Good vs coherent pluralism, post-tragedy, growing community organically, the question of vocation, and much more. Episode Transcript "From City to Civium," by Jordan Hall JRS EP 170 - John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall on The Religion That Is Not a Religion JRS Currents 032: Tyson Yunkaporta on Spirits, GameB & Protopias "A Journey to GameB," by Jim Rutt JRS Currents 090: BJ Campbell and Patrick Ryan on EgregoresJordan Hall is the Co-founder and Executive Chairman of the Neurohacker Collective. He is now in his 17th year of building disruptive technology companies. Jordan’s interests in comics, science fiction, computers, and way too much TV led to a deep dive into contemporary philosophy (particularly the works of Gilles Deleuze and Manuel DeLanda), artificial intelligence and complex systems science, and then, as the Internet was exploding into the world, a few years at Harvard Law School where he spent time with Larry Lessig, Jonathan Zittrain and Cornel West examining the coevolution of human civilization and technology.