Astral Codex Ten Podcast feed 2024年07月17日
Fallacies of Reversed Moderation
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近期讨论中,有人质疑为何硅谷人士只重视高科技气候解决方案,如碳捕捉或地球工程,而忽视国际合作和政治活动等传统方法。然而,硅谷的相关人士表示,他们认为政治解决方案和环保活动是抗击气候变化的核心,同时也应探索高科技方案。这种现象反映了人们对于极端立场的误解。

🌐 硅谷人士普遍认为,政治解决方案和环保活动是抗击气候变化的核心,但也应探索高科技方案。

🔍 反向适度规划,如地球工程例子中,一方希求100%政治解决方案,而另一方提出90%政治加10%技术方案,却被误解只关注技术。

🧬 反向适度重要性,例如心理学家认为所有人类行为都是学习得来的,遗传学家指出行为约50%是遗传,却被指责为“唯遗传论”。

🥕 反向适度兴趣,如素食主义者关注动物权利,却被认为“只关心动物不关心人类”。

🔮 反向适度确定性,如对超级智能AI可能危险的探讨,提出探究这一可能性的人被批评为“预测未来”或“过于自信”。

A recent discussion: somebody asked why people in Silicon Valley thought that only high-tech solutions to climate change (like carbon capture or geoengineering) mattered, and why they dismissed more typical solutions like international cooperation and political activism.

Another person cited statements from the relevant Silicon Valley people, who mostly say that they think political solutions and environmental activism were central to the fight against climate change, but that we should look into high-tech solutions too.

This is a pattern I see again and again.

Popular consensus believes 100% X, and absolutely 0% Y.

A few iconoclasts say that X is definitely right and important, but maybe we should also think about Y sometimes.

The popular consensus reacts “How can you think that it’s 100% Y, and that X is completely irrelevant? That’s so extremist!”

Some common forms of this:

Reversed moderation of planning, like in the geoengineering example. One group wants to solve the problem 100% through political solutions, another group wants 90% political and 10% technological, and the first group thinks the second only cares about technological solutions.

Reversed moderation of importance. For example, a lot of psychologists talk as if all human behavior is learned. Then when geneticists point to experiments showing behavior is about 50% genetic, they get accused of saying that “only genes matter” and lectured on how the world is more complex and subtle than that.

Reversed moderation of interest. For example, if a vegetarian shows any concern about animal rights, they might get told they’re “obsessed with animals” or they “care about animals more than humans”.

Reversed moderation of certainty. See for example my previous article Two Kinds Of Caution. Some researcher points out a possibility that superintelligent AI might be dangerous, and suggests looking into this possibility. Then people say it doesn’t matter, and we don’t have to worry about it, and criticize the researcher for believing he can “predict the future” or thinking “we can see decades ahead”. But “here is a possibility we need to investigate” is a much less certain claim than “no, that possibility definitely will not happen”.

I can see why this pattern is tempting. If somebody said the US should allocate 50% of its defense budget to the usual global threats, and 50% to the threat of reptilian space invaders, then even though the plan contains the number “50-50” it would not be a “moderate” proposal. You would think of it as “that crazy plan about fighting space reptiles”, and you would be right to do so. But in this case the proper counterargument is to say “there is no reason to spend any money fighting space reptiles”, not “it’s so immoderate to spend literally 100% of our budget breeding space mongooses”. “Moderate” is not the same as “50-50” is not the same as “good”. Just say “Even though this program leaves some money for normal defense purposes, it’s stupid”. You don’t have to deny that it leaves anything at all.

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