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Highlights From the Comments on College Admissions
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文章探讨了美国大学低录取率的背后原因,指出排名系统和精英职业市场的偏好是关键驱动因素,影响了学校的招生策略和学生的未来职业机会。

🎓 影响因素:1983年美国新闻与世界报告发布首份大学排名,导致学校为提高排名而降低录取率,以此作为衡量学校表现的标准。

📉 排名与招生:排名系统促使学校追求高录取率,即使是表现优秀的学生也可能被拒绝,导致安全学校的消失。

📈 申请者池:通用申请系统的兴起使得学校为增加申请者数量,即使这会降低申请池的质量。

🏢 精英职业门槛:顶尖咨询公司等高薪职位更倾向于招聘名牌大学的毕业生,使得教育背景成为进入精英职业的关键因素。

📚 早定精英:这些职业市场的偏好实际上是基于14-17岁时的表现来选择精英,而非纯粹的能力考量。

HalTheWise discusses a factor I missed (until I sneakily edited it in, so you may have read the later version that included it):

One very powerful contributor that Scott did not mention is that in many cases schools are directly or indically intentivized to have a low admission rate. US news & world report released the first national college ranking in 1983, and donors and board members at various schools have increasingly been using national rankings performance, which directly includes low admissions rates, as a measure of how well a school is doing.

These rankings and metrics also heavily incentivize having high yield (a large fraction of students that are admitted end up attending) which for a fixed size applicant pool also encourages accepting as few people as possible. This has led to the death of safety schools, because they would rather reject a high performing student than admit them and have them not attend.

These factors might also be a driving force behind the rise of common app, since schools are trying to get as many applicants as possible, even if it hurts the quality of their pool.

kaakitwitaasota points out that consulting is an exception to the “where you go to school doesn’t matter” principle:A lot of top firms these days won’t even look at you if you didn’t go to the “right” college. My mother did her MBA at Northeastern, and recently had lunch with an old classmate who ended up at a top consulting firm. My mother’s classmate’s résumé would end up in the trash unread these days–Northeastern isn’t considered good enough.

So while it’s probably true on the macro level that smart kids will do just fine anywhere they end up, there is a subset of extremely prestigious, extremely well-paid jobs which will not even look at you if you didn’t get into the right institution at the age of 18–which, in practice, means that the élite are chosen on the basis of who they were at the age of 14-17. When viewed in those terms, it’s completely nuts.

I’d heard this before; my impression is that a big part of consulting is having prestigious-looking people tell you what you want to hear. If what they’re actually hiring for is prestige rather than competence per se, that could make it a special case

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