本期《隐藏力量》节目邀请了反恐专家大卫·基尔库伦，他分享了关于战争演变的见解，并深入分析了中国和俄罗斯针对西方国家的传统和非传统作战方式。节目还探讨了全球应对新冠疫情的紧急措施以及这些措施对自由民主的未来影响。

👨‍🏫 **战争演变与新型威胁：** 基尔库伦认为战争形态正在发生改变，非国家行为体、技术进步和网络空间成为新的战场。他强调了中国和俄罗斯在军事现代化、信息战和混合战争方面的进展，以及他们对西方国家安全构成的威胁。他分析了中国和俄罗斯如何利用经济杠杆、网络攻击和信息战来削弱西方国家，并为其军事行动创造有利条件。

🦠 **新冠疫情与全球政治：** 基尔库伦认为新冠疫情将对全球政治格局产生深远影响，加速了国家之间竞争和合作的复杂化。他指出疫情暴露了西方国家的脆弱性，并可能加剧社会分化和政治极化。同时，疫情也为中国提供了塑造全球秩序的机会。

🇷🇺 **俄罗斯的“边缘战争”策略：** 基尔库伦深入探讨了俄罗斯对西方国家的“边缘战争”策略，包括干预选举、传播虚假信息、利用社交媒体等手段。他认为俄罗斯旨在破坏西方社会团结、瓦解民主制度，并削弱西方国家的国际影响力。他指出俄罗斯可能会在2020年美国大选中利用类似的策略，并利用西方国家内部的分裂和难民危机来制造混乱。

In Episode 126 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with David Kilcullen, a theorist and practitioner of guerrilla and unconventional warfare, and counterterrorism. David has amassed extensive operational experience over a 25 year career with the Australian and U.S. governments as an army officer, analyst, policy advisor and diplomat. He served in Iraq as senior counterinsurgency advisor to U.S. General David Petraeus and was senior advisor to U.S. Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice. He has served in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Libya, and Colombia. He's Professor of International and Political Studies at the University of New South Wales, Canberra. He's also the author of five prize winning books on terrorism, insurgency, and future warfare, including his latest, “The Dragons and the Snakes: How the Rest Learned to Fight the West.”   This episode deals mainly with the evolution of warfare and the threats we currently face, including an extensive analysis of Chinese and Russian conventional and unconventional methods targeting the West. The two also discuss the emergency measures currently being put into place across the world in response to the spread of Coronavirus and the implications of those measures for the future of liberal democracy.

The second hour of Demetri and David’s conversation includes a deep-dive into Russiagate, as well as the types of strategies of liminal warfare being employed by Putin and the Russian Federation against America and the West. The two also speculate about how Western adversaries may inflict further damage upon them during the 2020 election, capitalize on internal divisions, refugee crises, as well as this latest, global pandemic.

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