本期Hidden Forces节目中，Demetri Kofinas与Tablet杂志高级编辑Jacob Siegel探讨了信息战的本质。Siegel认为，信息战将国内民粹主义者的反建制政治与外国敌人的战争行为混为一谈，将美国人民变成了美国政府及其情报机构的目标。他们讨论了什么是虚假信息、什么是真实的、以及信息生态系统如何成为西方国家对平民进行叙事战和心理战的战场。在第二部分，他们探讨了如何解决这个问题，Demetri认为可以通过对大型科技平台进行监管，引入激励机制、认识论目标和无党派透明度，从而产生更高质量的信息，同时更有利于达成共识。Jacob也分享了他的观点，在某些方面与Demetri的不同，引发了一场充满活力的辩论。

🤔 **信息战的本质**：Siegel认为，信息战将国内民粹主义者的反建制政治与外国敌人的战争行为混为一谈，将美国人民变成了美国政府及其情报机构的目标。信息生态系统已成为西方国家对平民进行叙事战和心理战的战场。

💡 **信息战的危害**：信息战导致人们对信息来源感到困惑和不安，更容易被操纵和控制，也加剧了社会的分裂和不信任。

🤝 **解决信息战的方案**：Demetri认为，可以通过对大型科技平台进行监管，引入激励机制、认识论目标和无党派透明度，从而产生更高质量的信息，同时更有利于达成共识。

💬 **不同的观点**：Jacob对Demetri的观点持不同意见，他认为信息战是不可避免的，我们应该更加关注如何提升个人辨识信息的能力，而不是依赖政府监管。

🚀 **信息战的未来**：信息战将继续存在，但如何应对信息战，如何维护信息安全，是摆在我们面前的重要课题。

In Episode 309 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Jacob Siegel, a senior editor at Tablet magazine and the author of a widely shared article about disinformation titled, “A Guide to Understanding the Hoax of the Century.”

The ‘hoax’ according to Siegel is the information war itself, which he believes conflates the anti-establishment politics of domestic populists with acts of war by foreign enemies turning the American people into targets of the US government and its intelligence agencies.

Demetri and Jacob spend the first hour of their conversation trying to wrap their arms around this sprawling leviathan of public and private surveillance that has left so many of us feeling increasingly disoriented and vulnerable to being manipulated and controlled. They discuss what disinformation is, what it isn’t, and how the information ecosystem has become a battlefield for narrative warfare and mass psychological operations conducted against civilians across Western countries.

In the second hour, Siegel and Kofinas debate what can be done to solve the problem. Demetri is of the view that we can and should regulate the large tech platforms by introducing governing incentives, epistemic objectives, and non-partisan transparency that can produce higher quality information and while also being more conducive to consensus building. Jacob shares his views, which in some instances differ from Demetri’s in what was a spirited debate and lively conversation.

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Episode Recorded on 04/17/2023