本期节目中，吉姆与杰里米·伦特进行了深入的对话，探讨了伦特最新的著作《意义之网：整合科学与传统智慧，寻找我们在宇宙中的位置》。他们探讨了当今发达经济体的主流世界观，其缺乏科学基础，以及世界观如何塑造历史方向。他们还讨论了自私与分离的神话，将自然视为资源如何导致自我强化的反馈循环，以及金钱对金钱的回报，资本主义和殖民主义的起源，以及欧洲发展中的掠夺性思维模式。此外，他们还探讨了复杂系统方法的灵性，将“自然吸引子”视为精神，发现道教、无为和有为，有意识与概念意识，整合意识，以及有为作为多极陷阱。节目还讨论了使用GDP作为衡量标准的问题，改善我和自我的关系，意识的民主，沉思和具身实践作为将大脑引导到新的吸引子的方式，关于进化的错误观念，例如自私的基因，细胞如何开始合作，以及人类如何可能做到同样的事情，改变我们的社会操作系统，走出快乐的跑步机，修复跨国公司等等。

🤔主流世界观：节目探讨了当今发达经济体的主流世界观，其缺乏科学基础，以及世界观如何塑造历史方向。这种世界观将自然视为资源，并导致自我强化的反馈循环，最终导致环境问题和社会不公。

🌏自然与资源：节目强调了将自然视为资源的错误观念，并探讨了这种观念如何导致资本主义和殖民主义的起源，以及欧洲发展中的掠夺性思维模式。伦特认为，这种思维模式导致了我们当前的生态危机，需要改变我们的世界观才能找到可持续的未来。

🧘‍♀️整合意识：节目探讨了复杂系统方法的灵性，将“自然吸引子”视为精神，发现道教、无为和有为，有意识与概念意识，整合意识。伦特认为，通过整合科学和传统智慧，我们可以找到一种新的意识形态，这种意识形态能够引导我们走向更可持续的未来。

🤝合作与改变：节目探讨了细胞合作的进化过程，以及人类如何可能做到同样的事情。伦特认为，我们可以改变我们的社会操作系统，走出快乐的跑步机，修复跨国公司，最终实现人类和自然之间的和谐共存。

🧠思维模式与行动：节目强调了改变思维模式的重要性，并探讨了沉思和具身实践作为将大脑引导到新的吸引子的方式。伦特认为，通过改变我们的思维模式，我们可以改变我们的行为，最终创造一个更可持续的未来。

Jim has a wide-ranging talk with Jeremy Lent about his latest book, The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe...Jim has a wide-ranging talk with Jeremy Lent about his latest book, The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe. They discuss the dominant worldview in today's advanced economies, its lack of scientific basis, how worldviews shape the direction of history, myths of selfishness & separation, how viewing nature as resource leads to self-reinforcing feedback loops, money-on-money return, origins of capitalism & colonialism, the extractive mindset as a European development, a complex-systems approach to spirituality, "natural attractors" as spirits, discovering Taoism, wu wei & yu wei, animate vs conceptual consciousness, integrated consciousness, yu wei as multipolar trap, problems with using GDP as a metric, improving the relationship between I & self, a democracy of consciousness, contemplative & embodied practices as a way of moving the brain toward new attractors, false ideas about evolution e.g. the selfish gene, how cells began cooperating, how humans might do the same, changing our social operating system, stepping off the hedonic treadmill, fixing transnational corporations, and much more. Episode Transcript The Web of Meaning (website) The Patterning Instinct: A Cultural History of Humanity's Search for Meaning, by Jeremy Lent Before European Hegemony: The World System A.D. 1250-1350, by Janet L. Abu-Lughod JRS EP148 - Antonio Damasio on Feeling and Knowing My Stroke of Insight: A Brain Scientist's Personal Journey, by Jill Bolte Taylor Metaphors We Live By, by George Lakoff & Mark Johnson Neural Darwinism (Wikipedia) Selfish gene (Wikipedia) JRS EP116 - Doug Erwin on the Cambrian Explosion B corporation (Wikipedia) JRS - EP107 Tristan Harris on Our Social DilemmaJeremy Lent is an author and speaker whose work investigates the underlying causes of our civilization’s existential crisis and explores pathways toward a life-affirming future. Born in London, England, Lent received a BA in English Literature from Cambridge University, an MBA from the University of Chicago, and was a former internet company CEO. He is founder of the nonprofit Liology Institute, dedicated to fostering an integrated worldview that could enable humanity to thrive sustainably on the Earth. He lives with his partner in Berkeley, California. Lent also writes topical articles exploring the deeper patterns of political and cultural developments at Patterns of Meaning.