本文是Jim与科学家、企业家本·戈尔茨尔关于其最新论文《通往真正通用人工智能的三条可行路径》的对话。讨论了通用人工智能的含义、沃兹尼亚克的基础测试、常见任务是否需要AGI、与巴赫的对话、深度神经网络为何不适合人类级别的AGI、世界模型外推的挑战、为何创造性即兴可能对大公司无趣、三种可能有效的方法（认知级别、大脑级别和化学级别）、本正在开发的OpenCog系统、进化在此方法中的位置、为何深度神经网络不是大脑模拟及其现实化尝试、关于如何改进泛化的假设、音乐神经网络与AGI研究的心理景观、算法化学与生命起源问题、为何AGI应获得更多资源、为何我们需要更好的并行架构、社会应如何及多大程度投资新方法、向AGI可行性文化转变的可能性等多方面内容。

🧠 讨论了通用人工智能（AGI）的定义及其与专用人工智能的区别，强调了AGI需要具备处理广泛任务的能力，而不仅仅是单一技能。

🔍 沃兹尼亚克提出的AGI基本测试，即机器能否在不确定的环境中表现出与人类相当的智能行为，是衡量AGI发展的关键指标。

💡 深度神经网络虽然在某些领域表现出色，但它们在模拟人类智能方面存在局限，特别是在理解、推理和创造力方面。

🌌 提出了三种实现AGI的可能路径：认知级别模仿人类思维过程，大脑级别模拟人脑结构，化学级别则从生命起源的角度探索智能。

🏛️ OpenCog系统作为一个跨学科项目，旨在通过模拟人脑结构和认知过程来构建AGI，但并非传统AI的延续。

Jim talks with Ben Goertzel about the ideas in his recent essay "Three Viable Paths to True AGI"...Jim talks with Ben Goertzel about the ideas in his recent essay "Three Viable Paths to True AGI." They discuss the meaning of artificial general intelligence, Steve Wozniak's basic AGI test, whether common tasks actually require AGI, a conversation with Joscha Bach, why deep neural nets are unsuited for human-level AGI, the challenge of extrapolating world-models, why imaginative improvisation might not be interesting to corporations, the 3 approaches that might have merit (cognition-level, brain-level, and chemistry-level), the OpenCog system Ben is working on, whether it's a case of "good old-fashioned AI," where evolution fits into the approach, why deep neural nets aren't brain simulations & attempts to make them more realistic, a hypothesis about how to improve generalization, neural nets for music & the psychological landscape of AGI research, algorithmic chemistry & the origins of life problem, why AGI deserves more resources than it's getting, why we may need better parallel architectures, how & how much society should invest in new approaches, the possibility of a cultural shift toward AGI viability, and much more. Episode Transcript "Three Viable Paths to True AGI," by Ben Goertzel (Substack) JRS Currents 025: Ben Goertzel on Decentralizing Social Media JRS EP3 - Dr. Ben Goertzel – OpenCog, AGI and SingularityNET JRS EP87 - Joscha Bach on Theories of Consciousness JRS EP25 - Gary Marcus on Rebooting AI OpenCog Hyperon "Algorithmic Chemistry," by Walter Fontana JRS EP 167 - Bruce Damer on the Origins of LifeDr. Ben Goertzel is a cross-disciplinary scientist, entrepreneur and author.  Born in Brazil to American parents, in 2020 after a long stretch living in Hong Kong he relocated his primary base of operations to a rural island near Seattle. He leads the SingularityNET Foundation, the OpenCog Foundation, and the AGI Society which runs the annual Artificial General Intelligence conference. Dr. Goertzel’s research work encompasses multiple areas including artificial general intelligence, natural language processing, cognitive science, machine learning, computational finance, bioinformatics, virtual worlds, gaming, parapsychology, theoretical physics and more. He also chairs the futurist nonprofit Humanity+,  serves as Chief Scientist of AI firms  Rejuve, Mindplex, Cogito and Jam Galaxy, all parts of the SingularityNET ecosystem, and serves as keyboardist and vocalist in the Jam Galaxy Band, the first-ever band led by a humanoid robot.