本期节目中，Jim 与 Nate Hagens 共同探讨了 Nate 与 DJ White 合著的新书《现实盲点：整合支撑我们集体未来的系统科学》，第一卷。他们讨论了 Nate 的“现实 101”课程，我们当前处境的根本驱动因素，通过“外星人的视角”写作，避免乐观和悲观，准确性和帮助之间的权衡，说出真相并让结果自然发生，地下碳的积累，碳脉冲，古代阳光的银行账户，纽科门大气机的发明，杰文斯悖论，有限世界中的指数增长，不喜欢“去增长”这个词，人类如何成为热机，基因议程，广告作为最有害的发明，快时尚，超级新奇，营养级金字塔，第六次大灭绝，构建后碳生活，能量作为生命的货币，能量回报投资，为什么我们不想要免费能源，概率性地思考未来，预测资源经济的下降，重置金融体系，消费者过剩作为孔雀的尾巴等等。

👨‍🏫 **系统科学视角**：Nate Hagens 强调通过系统科学的视角来理解我们当前的处境，他认为，理解能量、环境和金融之间的相互关系对于我们理解人类未来的走向至关重要。他主张避免简单化的乐观或悲观，而是通过客观分析，寻求更全面的理解。

📈 **能量与经济的紧密关系**：Hagens 指出，能量是生命的货币，经济增长依赖于持续的能量供应。他认为，我们正处于一个有限资源的星球上，指数增长终将不可持续。他对“去增长”一词持谨慎态度，认为我们需要思考如何构建一个基于可再生能源的稳定经济体系，而不是简单地追求经济增长。

🌎 **环境挑战与未来展望**：Hagens 阐述了当前人类社会面临的诸多环境挑战，包括碳排放、生物多样性丧失、资源枯竭等等。他认为，我们必须认识到这些挑战的严重性，并积极寻求解决方案，构建一个可持续发展的未来。他强调了能源转型的重要性，并建议我们重新思考消费模式，减少对物质的过度依赖。

🧠 **概率性思维与理性决策**：Hagens 倡导一种基于概率性思维的决策方式，他认为，我们应该承认未来存在不确定性，并根据不同的可能性做出合理的决策。他强调，我们需要避免过于乐观或悲观的预测，而是理性地评估各种可能性，并制定相应的应对策略。

💰 **金融体系的重构**：Hagens 认为，现有的金融体系无法有效地应对资源枯竭和环境挑战。他主张对金融体系进行重构，使其更能反映资源的真实价值，并鼓励可持续的投资和消费行为。

Jim talks with Nate Hagens about his new book co-authored with DJ White, Reality Blind: Integrating the Systems Science Underpinning Our Collective Futures, volume 1...Jim talks with Nate Hagens about his new book co-authored with DJ White, Reality Blind: Integrating the Systems Science Underpinning Our Collective Futures, volume 1. They discuss Nate's Reality 101 course, the core fundamental drivers of our current situation, writing "through an alien lens," steering away from optimism and pessimism, the tradeoff between accuracy and helpfulness, telling the truth & letting the chips fall, the buildup of underground carbon, the carbon pulse, a bank account of ancient sunlight, invention of the Newcomen atmospheric engine, the Jevons paradox, exponential growth in a finite world, disliking the word "degrowth," how humanity became a heat engine, gene agendas, advertising as the most deleterious invention, fast fashion, hypernovelty, trophic pyramids, the sixth great extinction, building a post-carbon life, energy as the currency of life, energy return on investment, why we don't want free energy, thinking about the future probabilistically, predicting a drop in the resource economy, hitting the reset button on finance, consumer abundance as a peacock's tail, and much more. Episode Transcript Propaganda, by Edward L. Bernays The Century of the Self (documentary by Adam Curtis)Dr. Nate Hagens is the Executive Director of The Institute for the Study of Energy & Our Future (ISEOF) an organization focused on educating and preparing society for the coming cultural transition. Formerly in the finance industry at Lehman Brothers and Salomon Brothers, since 2003 Nate has shifted his focus to understanding the interrelationships between energy, environment, and finance and the implication this synthesis has for human futures. Nate hosts the podcast The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens, in which he has conversations with experts in energy, ecology, government, technology, and the economy to provide a systemic view of the world around us.