Dario Amodei is an unusual figure to lead one of the world’s most valuable AI firms. Unlike most CEOs, he spends more time talking about geopolitical tensions or the huge job losses his industry is likely to be responsible for than Anthropic’s commercial strategy. Safety is central to the company’s mission—and it sells well, too. Revenues appear to be on track to near $10bn this year. That’s ten times more than last year. So how should we think about the seemingly unstoppable rise of Anthropic?

Hosts: Alice Fulwood, Mike Bird and Ethan Wu. Guests: The Economist’s Henry Tricks; Dario Amodei and Anthropic’s in-house philosopher Amanda Askell.