本期节目，Jim与Anders Indset探讨了《奇点悖论：弥合人类与AI的差距》一书。他们深入探讨了弗洛伊德提出的“人类的最终自恋创伤”、机器意识与人类意识的区别、“不死”状态、人类认知局限性、博弈论动态与多极陷阱、人工人类智能（AHI）与通用/超级人工智能（AGI/ASI）的不同方法、意识保存、国际象棋AI与人类认知、AHI与AGI/ASI之间的协同演化、关于“玩以致胜”与“玩以成为”的观点、为预见性领导设计的组织架构、信任与摩擦如何驱动进步、塑造、投资与效率的三大支柱、反应型与反思型社会、技术卫生、“僵尸启示录”场景、主体性的作用，以及在AI世界中身份与真实性的问题等。Anders Indset，作为一位商业哲学家和畅销书作家，在技术、经济和领导力领域具有深远的影响力。

🧠 探讨了“人类的最终自恋创伤”，这源于弗洛伊德的观点。节目中，讨论了人类在认知上可能面临的挑战，以及AI发展对人类自尊的潜在冲击。

🤖 比较了机器意识与人类意识。节目深入探讨了两者之间的根本差异，包括感知、情感、以及对世界的理解方式。此外，还讨论了“不死”状态，探讨了在AI时代，人类意识与生命延续的可能性。

♟️ 关注了国际象棋AI与人类认知。节目通过分析国际象棋AI的进步，探讨了AI在复杂决策和战略规划方面的能力，以及人类认知在应对这些挑战时的局限性。

🤝 强调了AHI与AGI/ASI之间的协同演化。节目讨论了人工人类智能（AHI）与通用/超级人工智能（AGI/ASI）之间的潜在合作与竞争关系，以及这种动态对人类社会的影响。

💡 阐述了“玩以致胜”与“玩以成为”的差异。Anders Indset在节目中提出了关于目标和价值观的思考，强调了在AI时代，人类不仅要追求成功，更要注重自我发展和价值实现。

Jim talks with Anders Indset about his book The Singularity Paradox: Bridging the Gap Between Humanity and AI, co-authored with Florian Neutkart. They discuss the "final narcissistic injury of humankind," Freud's three historical narcissistic injuries, machine consciousness vs human consciousness, the "undead" state, human cognitive limitations, game theory dynamics & multipolar traps, Artificial Human Intelligence vs AGI/ASI approaches, consciousness preservation, chess AI & human cognition, coevolutionary dynamics between AHI & AGI/ASI, "playing to win" vs "playing to become," organizational design for anticipatory leadership, trust & friction as progress drivers, the three pillars of forging & investment & efficiency, reactive vs reflective societies, technical hygiene, "zombie apocalypse" scenarios, the role of agency, questions of identity & authenticity in an AI world, and much more. Episode Transcript Wild Knowledge: Outthink the Revolution, by Anders Indset The Quantum Economy: Saving the Mensch with Humanistic Capitalism, by Anders Indset The Viking Code: The Art and Science of Norwegian Success, by Anders Indset Ex Machina: The God Experiment, by Anders Indset and Florian Neukart The Singularity Paradox: Bridging the Gap Between Humanity and AI, by Anders Indset and Florian Neukart Against Empathy: The Case for Rational Compassion, by Paul Bloom The Beginning of Infinity, by David DeutschAnders Indset is a business philosopher and author of four Spiegel bestsellers, with works translated into over ten languages. He has been recognized by Thinkers50 as one of the most influential thinkers in technology, economy, and leadership. In addition to writing books including The Quantum Economy, Ex Machina, and his newest title, The Singularity Paradox, the Norwegian-born polymath is also Chairman of the Njordis Group, a driving force behind initiatives like the Quantum Economy, and a deep-tech investor. He is a sought-after speaker at conferences such as the World Economic Forum, the Global HR Summit, and the Mobile World Congress.