本期节目中，Peter与Marty Makary博士和Zubin Damania博士（ZDoggMD）探讨了关于新冠疫情的关键问题。他们讨论了Omicron变异株的已知信息，疫苗对各个年龄段的风险与益处，以及自然免疫的保护作用。此外，他们还深入分析了官方信息传递中的问题，对某些政策和强制措施的合理性提出了质疑，并探讨了高度政治化和两极分化的疫情现状带来的问题。讨论的核心主题包括科学与倡导的区别、尽管取得了重大进展但仍导致对科学不信任的信息传递，以及对这场疫情可能“结束”的展望。

🦠 探讨了Omicron变异株与Delta及其他变异株的比较，并分析了衡量免疫力和预防重症的方法，包括循环抗体、B细胞和T细胞的检测。

📜 讨论了政策问题，例如疫情的最终走向以及世界如何才能恢复到2019年的状态。节目还提出了一个以政策为导向的框架来审视新冠疫情，并探讨了群体思维的问题。

💡 深入探讨了科学与倡导的区别，以及尽管取得了令人瞩目的进展，但公众对科学的信任却受到侵蚀的现象。

🛡️ 讨论了自然免疫在新冠感染后的作用，以及在现有数据下，当前强制措施和政策的合理性。

💉 节目还讨论了疫苗相关的风险，以及在质疑疫苗时可能被贴上反疫苗标签的风险，并提供了关于接种辉瑞和Moderna疫苗后心肌炎发生率的数据。

In this episode, Peter sits down with Drs. Marty Makary and Zubin Damania (aka ZDoggMD), both previous guests on The Drive. Marty is a Johns Hopkins professor and public health researcher and ZDoggMD is a UCSF/Stanford trained internist and the founder of Turntable Health. This episode, recorded on December 27, 2021, was in part inspired by some of the shoddy science and even worse messaging coming from top officials regarding COVID-19. In this discussion, Marty and ZDoggMD discuss what is known about the omicron variant, the risks and benefits of vaccines for all age groups, and the taboo subject of natural immunity and the protection it offers against infection and severe disease. Furthermore, they discuss at length the poor messaging coming from our public officials, the justification (and lack thereof) for certain mandates and policies in light of the current evidence, and the problems caused by the highly politicized and polarized nature of the subject. Themes throughout the conversation include the difference between science and advocacy, the messaging which is sowing mistrust in science despite major progress, and a search for what a possible “end” to this situation might look like. 

NOTE: Since this episode was recorded over the holiday and published ASAP, this is an audio-only episode with limited show notes. 

We discuss:

Comparing omicron to delta and other variants [4:15]; Measuring immunity and protection from severe disease—circulating antibodies, B cells, and T cells [13:15]; Policy questions: what is the end game and how does the world go back to 2019? [18:45]; A policy-minded framework for viewing COVID and the problem of groupthink [24:00]; The difference between science and advocacy [39:00]; Natural immunity from COVID after infection [46:00]; The unfortunate erosion of trust in science despite impressive progress [57:15]; Do the current mandates and policies make sense in light of existing data? [1:02:30]; Risks associated with vaccines, and the risk of being labeled an anti-vaxxer when questioning them [1:18:15]; Data on incidence of myocarditis after vaccination with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines [1:26:15]; Outstanding questions about myocarditis as a side effect of mRNA vaccination and the benefit of boosters [1:35:00]; The risk-reward of boosters and recommendations being ignored by policy makers in the US [1:40:30]; Sowing distrust: lack of honesty and humility from top officials and policy makers [1:43:30]; Thoughts on testing: does it make sense to push widespread testing for COVID? [1:52:15]; What is the endpoint to all of this? [1:58:45]; Downstream consequences of lockdowns and draconian policy measures [2:05:30]; The polarized nature of COVID—tribalism, skeptics, and demonization of ideas [2:10:30]; Looking back at past pandemics for perspective and the potential for another pandemic in the future [2:20:00]; What parents can do if their kids are subject to unreasonable policies [2:25:00]; Voices of reason in this space [2:28:45]; Strong convictions, loosely held: the value in questioning your own beliefs [2:32:15]; More.

 

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