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If It's Worth Your Time To Lie, It's Worth My Time To Correct It
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文章探讨了在公共讨论中纠正错误的重要性,强调了对细节的关注和诚实的重要性。作者认为,当一方为了增强论点而撒谎时,另一方有责任纠正它。这种对细节的忽视会导致论点被夸大,最终导致更极端的观点。文章通过具体的案例,例如对“觉醒文化”的批评,说明了为什么纠正错误对于维护真相和促进健康的讨论至关重要,同时提出了在不同语境下保持敏感和友善的必要性。

🧐 **纠正的重要性:** 文章的核心在于强调纠正错误的重要性。作者认为,当有人为了加强论点而撒谎时,诚实的人有责任纠正这些错误。这种纠正行为并非吹毛求疵,而是为了维护真相,避免观点被不当夸大。

🗣️ **谎言的累积效应:** 如果一方为了增强论点而撒谎,即使只是微小的程度,长此以往也会导致论点逐渐偏离真相。为了对抗这种趋势,另一方也需要加强自己的论点,从而导致讨论的整体水平不断升级,最终可能导致极端言论的出现。

⚠️ **“觉醒文化”的案例:** 作者以“觉醒文化”为例,指出在讨论中对细节的忽视。例如,将普通的酒吧斗殴说成是种族主义攻击,这不仅歪曲了事实,也阻碍了对真正问题的讨论。这种夸大其词的行为,最终可能导致对社会问题的误解。

💡 **对“近似真实”的警惕:** 作者还提到了“近似真实”的危险性。即使某个说法与事实相似,但如果存在重大问题,或者与核心问题无关,那么用它来代替真相就会阻碍深入的讨论,并可能掩盖更重要的问题。

⚖️ **语境与例外情况:** 文章也承认纠正需要考虑语境,例如在某些情况下,为了教学或艺术目的,可以接受非完全真实。此外,纠正细微的、无关紧要的错误并不总是必要的。重要的是,不要因为纠正错误而受到嘲笑或欺凌。

People don’t like nitpickers. “He literally did the WELL AKTUALLY!” If you say Joe Criminal committed ten murders and five rapes, and I object that it was actually only six murders and two rapes, then why am I “defending” Joe Criminal?

Because if it’s worth your time to lie, it’s worth my time to correct it.

If one side lies to make all of their arguments sound 5% stronger, then over long enough it adds up. Unless they want to be left behind, the other side has to make all of their arguments 5% stronger too. Then there’s a new baseline - why not 10%? Why not 20%? This mechanism might sound theoretical when I describe it this way, but go to any space where corrections are discouraged, and you will see exactly this.

I hate to rag on wokeness further in the Year Of Our Lord 2025, but they’re still the best example I’ve ever seen. You weren’t supposed to defend racists. And so:

“Hey everyone, Joe Target shouted a racial slur and punched a black guy in the face because he hates minorities so much! This proves that we need hate crime legislation immediately!”

“But if you read the article, you’ll see they were both really drunk, the black guy insulted Joe’s wife, it was an ordinary bar fight, and there’s no reason to think race was the precipitating factor”.

"So you’re saying it’s okay and not racist at all to shout a slur at a black person and punch him in the face?”

“I was just saying that it didn’t seem to immediately be motivated by racism, and should probably be filed under other social problems like drunkenness and violence.”

"So are you denying that racism exists and causes harm?”

Well, no. But if your only real point is that racism exists and causes harm, you could have said that racism exists and causes harm, and that wouldn’t have been a lie. Instead you chose to talk about how Joe Target punched the black guy because of racism. Presumably you thought that point made your argument stronger than it would have been if you’d just said that racism existed - maybe 5% stronger. If that’s true, then that extra 5% argument strength is illegitimate, and it’s every honest person’s duty to take it away from you. If you’re allowed to have it, then eventually we escalate all the way to the point we actually escalated to, where people have said in all seriousness that Trump might try to put all minorities in camps and murder them.

(sorry - I’ve genuinely heard people say he was going to put minorities in camps, but I’m not sure they specified all minorities, and I don’t think they ever said they would get murdered there. Would you have let me get away with that exaggeration?)

I think “okay, but everyone knows that something vaguely similar is true” is an especially dangerous case of this.

Maybe I don’t agree that the similar thing is true.

Maybe the similar thing is true, but it’s got some big problem (eg is impossible in practice, costs too much, would have too many side effects) that the original catchy example doesn’t.

Maybe the similar thing isn’t really similar along the axis that matters most.

If, instead of saying the true similar thing, you say a different false thing, then that denies me the opportunity to examine the true similar thing in detail, ask you questions about it, or challenge it directly. Which was plausibly your point all along, because there must have been some reason it was worth your time to lie.

Some caveats:

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