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本文作者探讨了格雷厄姆的异议层次结构,并提出了一些改进建议。作者认为,现有结构在高级别上存在问题,特别是关于反驳核心观点和反驳的区别。为了优化辩论框架,作者建议合并“反驳核心观点”到“反驳”中,并引入“争论边缘观点”作为新的层次。此外,作者提出将“反驳”和“反驳”并列,强调两者同等重要,并增加“反驳+反驳”的组合。最后,作者引入“非建设性反驳”作为新的层次,以更全面地评估辩论的有效性。

💡作者建议移除格雷厄姆异议层次结构中的DH6“反驳核心观点”,并将其与“反驳”合并,强调反驳应针对核心观点。

🗣️为了更好地处理辩论中的跑题现象,作者引入了DH3.5“争论边缘观点”,位于“矛盾”之上,旨在引导辩论者关注核心议题。

🤝作者认为“反驳”与“反驳”应并列,而非层级关系,因为两者功能不同,且需要结合使用才能构成完整的论证。

🧐作者新增了DH4.5“非建设性反驳”,指的是指出论证的错误但未明确指出错误所在,例如指出论证的过度推导,这有助于更细致地评估论证的有效性。

Published on April 2, 2025 10:25 PM GMT

(This is once again me taking what old material from my personal blog and reposting it here with some revisions.)

Graham's hierarchy of disagreement is pretty well known and fairly useful, but I think the upper levels have some issues. (Are the lower levels necessarily the best they could be? Maybe not, but they also don't particularly matter.) I suggest a few changes.

First, and most minorly, let's remove DH6 "refuting the central point" as separate from "refutation". I think it should just always be implicit that whether you're counterarguing or refuting, it should be on the central point. If it's not, well... I guess we should add a second change -- let's add a DH3.5, above "contradiction" but below "counterargument", which is "arguing with a peripheral point". (So I guess really we haven't actually removed "refuting the central point" as separate, so much as we've stuffed both the original "counterargument" and "refutation" into DH3.5, but...) Don't waste your time arguing with peripheral points; spot them the point if necessary (you can always un-spot it later) and get on to the central point.

Now, one could notionally separate this out further -- counterarguing against a peripheral point, vs refuting a peripheral point -- but really, if you're on a peripheral point, it doesn't matter too much which you're doing. Get on the central point first. (If you miss it accidentally, hopefully your interlocutor is helpful and tells you you're off the point, rather than getting dragged into a peripheral argument! If you're entirely unsure what the central point is, some sort of double-crux or similar exercise may be necessary...)

Next, let's get rid of the strict hierarchy and put "counterargument" and "refutation" parallel to one another, rather than having the one on top of the other. Counterargument and refutation do different things; neither alone is superior to the other. But there is something that goes on top of both and that we should add, and that's counterargument combined with refutation. If you only counterargue, you just leave things in a state of "well we both have arguments for our side". But if you only refute, you just leave things in a state of "your argument is wrong, but who knows what's correct?" If you want to really do a proper job of arguing, you need to both refute and counterargue; until then it's incomplete!

(Yeah, none of this fits great into a Bayesian framework; I guess really the Bayesian framework is what you pull out when you're in one of the above inconclusive states!)

Finally, let's add a DH4.5 -- well, it would be a DH4.5 if we hadn't just moved DH4 and DH5 to be parallel to one another... now it sits below DH5 and above DH3 -- which is nonconstructive refutation. This is where you point out that there must be something wrong with an argument, without actually finding the hole in it. For instance, showing that an argument proves too much is an example of this: "Your argument that God exists can't be right, because the same argument would prove that a perfect island exists" (as the classic example goes). This is definitely not a counterargument (it doesn't do anything to show that God doesn't exist, it only addresses the particular argument), and it's clearly better than simple contradiction, but it's only kind of a refutation -- you still have to find the actual hole. I think it's worth separating this out.

So, in summary, my revised hierharchy:

(Doesn't counteragument + nonconstructive refutation belong on there somewhere? Yeah, technically, I suppose, but you can fill it in.)



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