Anne-Laure Le Cunff，Ness Labs创始人，《微小实验：如何在目标至上的世界自由生活》的作者，分享了她如何摆脱传统成功的束缚，通过“微小实验”来构建自己的人生。她曾拥有令人羡慕的履历：名校毕业，谷歌高管，一切都符合成功的标准。但她却感到空虚，于是她决定改变。通过神经科学博士的学习、10万+的newsletter订阅者以及一本新书，她建立了一种新的成功模式，围绕着进行“微小实验”来帮助她按照自己的方式生活。访谈中讨论了我们如何陷入认知脚本、生产力文化的隐藏危险，以及如何通过实验来改善生活。

🧠 **认知脚本的陷阱**：我们常常被社会和文化预设的“成功”脚本所束缚，例如“赢家脚本”和“失败者脚本”，这些脚本限制了我们的选择和可能性，导致我们即使获得了传统意义上的成功，也可能感到空虚和迷茫。

🔄 **循环式成长**：放弃线性的成长模式，转而采用循环式的成长方式。不要追求快速的、一蹴而就的进步，而是接受缓慢的、渐进的、不断迭代的成长过程。将线性思维替换为循环思维，以一种更具周期性的方法实现增长。

🚀 **AI是思维的火箭**：拥抱人工智能带来的可能性，将其视为扩展思维、加速学习和创新的工具。尽管我们对AI的理解还很有限，但它蕴藏着巨大的潜力，能够帮助我们探索未知的领域，实现更大的突破。不要害怕未知，而是积极地探索和利用AI的力量。

My guest today is Anne-Laure Le Cunff, founder of Ness Labs and author of Tiny Experiments: How to Live Freely in a Goal-Obsessed World.

On paper, Anne-Laure had it all: top grades, a high-flying job at Google, and a life that seemed to hit all the markers of success.

But something was off. No matter how “traditionally” successful she became, she felt… “empty.”

So, she decided to do something about it. A neuroscience PhD, 100,000+ newsletter subscribers, and a newly published book later, she’s developed a new model of success — one built around conducting “tiny experiments” that help her build a life on her own terms.

She joins me to discuss how we get trapped in cognitive scripts, the hidden dangers of productivity culture, how we can experiment our way to a better life and MUCH more!

I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. For the full transcript, episode takeaways, and bucketloads of other goodies designed to make you go, “Hmm, that’s interesting!”, check out our Substack.

Important Links:

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Show Notes:

How do you know you are bored out? People who love us the most might turn out to be our biggest blockers Don't confuse activity with effectiveness We will do virtually anything to gain what is really an illusion of control The map is not the territory, the menu is not the meal. And yet, words are magic spells. The Winner’s Script and the Loser’s Script "You got to run at the top speed if you just want to stay in place.” Let go of the linear and replace it with the loop- a more cyclical approach for growth Can you sit alone in a room for 15 minutes? Procrastination is just a signal from your brain that something is not quite working right now We know nothing AI is a rocket ship for the mind In 100 years, nobody will remember you

Books Mentioned:

Why Greatness Cannot Be Planned; by Ken Stanley Thinking in Bets; by Annie Duke Collective Illusions; by Todd Rose Maybe Logic; by Robert Anton Wilson Beginning of Infinity; by David Deutsch Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics; by Alfred Korzybski The Science of Storytelling: Why Stories Make Us Human and How to Tell Them Better; by Will Storr