少点错误 2024年12月20日
Replaceable Axioms give more credence than irreplaceable axioms
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本文探讨了反思推理和元层次的“奇异循环”,提出即使需要假设来支持信念,若信念能被多种不同的假设集而非单一假设集所证明,则该信念更可信。文章以皮亚诺算术为例,探讨了公理的可替代性,并提出若能用已成立的陈述替换公理,且新系统与原系统等效,则无需将公理视为假设。文章还强调了信念的稳健性,即能被多种假设集支持的信念更可靠,并将其与交叉熵思想联系起来,认为应优先考虑拥有多种短代码的假设。文章最后指出,这种观点有助于解决无限倒退问题,并减轻对单一标准的永久依赖。

💡 即使需要假设来支持信念,但如果该信念可以被多种不同的假设集合所证明,那么这个信念就更加可信。

🧮 以皮亚诺算术(PA)为例,文章探讨了公理的可替代性。如果一个公理可以被一个在PA中已经为真的陈述所替换,并且新系统与原系统等效,那么这个公理就不需要被视为一个假设。

🔄 文章将此观点与反思推理联系起来,认为即使是最基本的信念,如归纳和奥卡姆剃刀原则,也应该在我们的推理能力下接受审查,而不是仅仅被假设。

🔗 文章还提到了@So8res的交叉熵思想,认为我们应该优先考虑那些有多种不同短代码的假设,而不是那些只有单一短代码的假设。

🌍 文章最后认为,如果世界观不依赖于任何特定的假设集合,而是可以从多个不同的假设集合中产生,那么这个世界观就更强大。这也有助于解决无限倒退问题,并减少对单一标准的永久依赖。

Published on December 20, 2024 12:51 AM GMT

Epistemic status: hand waving conjecture. Let me know what I got right and wrong.

I was thinking about reflective reasoning and "strange loops through the meta level" and it lead me to this intuition that even if you have to make some assumptions to support your beliefs, if your beliefs can be justified by various different sets of assumptions, and not just one specific set of assumptions, then it gives those beliefs more credence.

What do I mean by justification by different sets of assumptions? Let's take peano arithmetic (PA) as an example (though any other formal system can work for this purpose as well).

    Is there an axiom of PA that can be replaced with a statement that is already true in PA such that PA would stay basically the same (the same statements would be true) and the old axiom would be provable as a regular statement in new-PA?If so, is it true for any PA axioms?If so, is true for all PA axioms at once? Can you theoretically replace all PA axioms with statements that are already true in PA, prove the old axioms in the new system, and remain with a system where all the same statements are correct and no new ones are?

If (1) is correct, then it's not necessary to accept that axiom as long as you're willing to accept its replacement (and assuming that you're fine with PA but just don't like assuming stuff, you should be fine with the replacement statement as well).

If (2) is correct, then the same is true for any PA axiom.

if (3) is correct, then the same is true for any set of PA axioms. Which means if you think PA really does prove only correct things, you don't actually have to accept the axioms as mere assumptions, because you can prove them from their substitutes, which you already accept.

(Question: Is this actually true about peano arithmetic?)

So though at any moment you would be using axioms to define what you're talking about and prove statements, none of them could be said to be required and permanent assumptions. There would be no assumptions you can be blamed for always assuming.

To bring it back to reflective reasoning, it would match the intuition that no belief, even the most fundamental ones like inductive and occemian priors, are beyond scrutiny under the full power of our reasoning, and therefore can't be said to be merely assumed.

This also reminds me of @So8res' cross-entropy idea - that instead of just prioritizing the hypothesis which has the shortest code, we should prioretize the hypothesis which has many different short codes.

In the same way, the more assumptions a belief requires, and the more complex these assumptions are, the more we discount that belief. But we should also look at how many different sets of assumptions can support that belief, and prioritize beliefs which can rely on more sets of assumptions rather than on ones that require very specific assumptions.

This also applies to beliefs supported by circular justifications. If a beliefs requires a very specific circle, it's less likely to be true than if it can fit in many different circles.

If there's no particular set of assumptions my worldview permanently depends on, if it can spring from many and various different sets of assumptions, then it's a stronger worldview. Even if it still requires assumptions or even circular reasoning.

I think this can be a step towards, or a part of, a solution to the regress problem or even The Problem of the Criterion, because it alleviates the need to permanently rely on just one criterion.



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